Re: BOT-I don't like it!

Subject Re: BOT-I don't like it!
From (Andy Wardley)
Date Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:19:09 GMT
Newsgroups rec.kites
Simon Dann <> wrote:
> the other thing thats real cool about it is the way you can side the
> fade left and right across the window, just pull with the hand on the
> side that you want to slide to.

As far as I know, you can do that with pretty much any kite that will stay in that jaded, Faded position. The Outer Space, Fusion and BoT are three that I've done it on, although the latter in particular requires a steady hand as it would much rather recover and do something else altogether.

It's what I call a "Conveyor Belt" kind of move.

The last few times I've flown the Box, I've been playing with a Flic-Flac Conveyor Belt kind of thing. Basically, a Flic Flac that starts on one side of the window and then slides across to the other, Flic'ing and Flac'ing all the way across. It's just a question of adding a little bit of line pressure in the direction you want to go each time the kite Flic's (or is it Flac's?) into that Fade position.

And then there are rising and falling Flic Flac's... and Flic Flac's with 360 Flat Spins interspersed... same direction and alternating direction... and so on, and so on... Lots of potential in the humble Flic Flac, I think.

> hand.  I dont think it flic flacs.  Wait for the reply  from ABW. I
> think the size 8.5 feet gives it too much size to flac..

I don't think that's it. It's because the kite doesn't recover well from that position (and thus, hangs in a Fade forever) that makes it difficult to Flic Flac. The Stranger was the same and (if memory serves) the Obsession is too.

A kite that likes to roll forward and back will Flic Flac with ease, but as soon as you get it into a pops back out. With kites like this, you have to give a little more slack in the lines than usual. This means it's difficult to get the kite to rise (Elevator) because you would normally increase the line pressure slightly to get the lift.

This is also a contributory factor as to why some kites don't do the Lazy Susan very well - they get half way round and then "pop" back into flight like a well behaved kite should... unless of course you're trying to do a Lazy Susan. Taking the trick line off (or not fitting one in the first place) is one solution, but it creates more problems than it's worth IMHO.

I think it might be possible to force Lazy Susan's on these kind of kites by using a "Double Pop" method. When I was trying to find a way of getting regular and accurate Multiple Axels and Flat Spins it was the Double Pop technique I came up with to keep the kite flat instead of recovering back into flight. I think the same is true when the kite is on it's back, but I just haven't got it right yet. I'll let you know when I do....

Sorry, I'm rambling now. Time to go home.